Page Title: MoA - Ukraine Open Thread 2022-47

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Page Text: In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine's far-right and fuel war. Posted by: b | Apr 15 2022 15:15 utc | 1 British mercenary says Ukraine does not want peace. Says he thought Ukraine was the "good guys" but no more. https://youtu.be/B-da_4ccANE Posted by: Dean Oneil | Apr 15 2022 15:25 utc | 2 In a whole operation of damage control, after the Ukrainian Ambassador to Spain stated in Spanish public TV 24h news program that the nazis in Ukraine were contributing to "liberate" his country and so he was so much grateful to them, fact checkers on duty in Spain now are taking out statements by members of Azov Battallion on that they really wanted to change their nazi symbology, but some people in the battallion opposed, and that, in the end, they wear that symbology only for "sentimental reasons".... "No sé, Rick, me siguen pareciendo neonazis...", symbology apart, mainly because of the carnage and oppression they have provoked in Ukraine for 8 years in a round.., sentimentally or not... Posted by: Givi | Apr 15 2022 15:50 utc | 3 On the "MOSKV" As an ex Shipowner, I am dismayed at any vessel's sinking. Doubly so with the MOSKVA as a sea going vessel and as a Flagship. I wonder why the MoD has not acknowledged that the vessel was struck by an Ukrainian missile or a couple of them? If this were not the case, then it would point out to sabotage, a fifth column's inside job which, in my opinion, is a lot worse than an external attack. What a can of worms wouldn't that open?! Maybe the MoD is reluctant to admit the Ukrainian origin of the strike, because its logical corollary would be that intelligence gathered by the West/US must have pinpointed the exact whereabouts of the vessel. Without this information, firing the Neptune/s or any other rocket would be an exercise in futility. The Satellites my point to a vicinity or a vector but only exceptionally the the exact location of the target. So, an AWAC or a Global Hawk, a Reaper or a Predator must have originated the data that allowed the hit/s on the "Moskva". The Ukrainians would not have been able to determine it on their own. Therefore, these aircraft are enemy combatants and Russia must , imperatively, destroy them as soon as they are within range of the RF or the Black Sea or the Ukraine. The consequences that may accrue from such defensive moves would depend on the targeted asset being manned or unmanned, even though in any case, "la fin justifie les moyens". These spy planes must be eliminated. Posted by: CarlD | Apr 15 2022 15:52 utc | 4 Can anyone recommend an article that summarizes the Ukraine conflict for people who have no idea what's going on? Many of my coworkers are only familiar with the dominant western narrative, and so when they ask me for my perspective I don't even know where to start. I try to point them here or to people like Pepe Escobar, Gonzalo Lira or The Duran, but I need a succinct and accessible article or essay I can give out. Posted by: THX1138 | Apr 15 2022 16:04 utc | 5 Was doing some reading over at The Saker this morning. Some speculation of US involvement in the sinking of the Moskva, at the very least sharing of intelligence, but possibly more. Combined with Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory… Seems that it is time for Russia to “take the gloves off”. Expect to see some escalation in Ukraine. I think there are forces on both sides that are trying hard to avoid direct US/NATO involvement due to the mass carnage that will cause… but with the lines getting blurred between the supplying of weapons and training, military advisors, and sharing of intelligence…it may get harder and harder for Russia to ignore. Posted by: Joe | Apr 15 2022 16:05 utc | 6 Less than 48 hours to D day, the Z Battle for Dombass, where Russians will be fighting for Russia, and Ukie traitors will be fighting for U.S. supremacy over Russia and the rest of the world. Never surrender! URA! https://youtu.be/Og-HyQ5ZnCM This cannot be emphasized enough.: Let's assume for the sake of argument we were already in a multi-polar world; if Russia attacked the U.S. by proxy, and were trying to cripple it economically as the U.S. is doing with Russia today, half of Russia would already be obliterated. That's how much patience and discipline Putin is exercising, and that's how much control over the world the U.S. has today. I don't care who says what trying to second-guess this Russian operation. The U.S. cannot continue as the hegemon bully of the world. Of course the Russians underestimated the Ukies' will to fight. That is yesterday's news. This operation should be stepped up to a level that recognizes that the U.S. is embedded with an enemy, yes, a recalcitrant enemy that shows no mercy. This is not your Ukraine of 2014. The U.S. has turned Ukraine's roots into daggers, poisoned the Ukrainian psyche and is weaponizing Ukraine into the Israel of Eurasia. This is existential; Russians know this or they should by now, and should hit the web and the airwaves like a cyber army committed to a multi-polar future where Russia's existence and prominence cannot be so easily threatened and erased. They must be ready to stomach scorched earth in Ukraine if that's what it takes to reverse the damage the U.S. has already created there. After Donbass; Odessa, shutting off the Black Sea. It's the only way to stop the U.S. from its Frankenstein ambition: a second fascist Israel. Forget about Kiev. It's lost, but with Odessa, who cares. Once Russia has the East secured, it can carry out timely surgical strikes whenever Kiev tries to amass military strength, just like Israel does with Syria and Lebanon. There is no other way to get out of this on top! Russians must be mentally prepared to fight for Russia's dignity and existence. This message must be as prominently delivered as Z is on billboards on Russia's street corners. Russians must embrace a warrior mentality and be prepared to sacrifice a lot to get this war done and secure a future where Russia is not just a token power on the UNSC, but an arm of international law checking hegemonic interests that threaten multipolarity. Russians must be all in to fight like hell, or become subjects in a vassal state submissive to the interests of the Empire. China beware. AUKUS will metamorphasize to include Japan and SK and get a footing in Taiwan and a weakened Russia will seal this expansion. Any dissent inside China and Hong Kong will be exploited to the max. China's road will be mined with U.S. obstruction. The hegemon will never give up on taking China down. Full containment is in China's future if Russia falls. No half-assed whacks at the Empire will suffice. Only committed resistance will succeed. The Empire succeeds only with Divide and Conquer strategy. If Russians stand firm and united against the West's war by proxy on Russia, and China's covert foreign assistance will make success more certain, then Russia will prevail with a spectacular victory. The ship is a symbol, but you can't break Russian spirit with a missile. Russia be all your history in this one battle; be formidable in your resistance! Posted by: Circe | Apr 15 2022 16:09 utc | 7 @CarlD | Apr 15 2022 15:52 utc | 3 I wonder why the MoD has not acknowledged that the vessel was struck by an Ukrainian missile or a couple of them? Perhaps it wasn't? An accident is possible, sabotage also. I tend to think something else happened, but I have only speculation to build on. More facts are required. When exactly did it happen, where was it located and what was the weather like? Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2022 16:09 utc | 8 Maybe the MOD hasnt acknowledged a missile strike because none happened. Ditto for sabotage. It is entirely possible that it was a fire in the ammunition hold like they said. I know people want to get all mad about stuff...about some magic fantasy nato technology or Russian incompetence...but maybe things are exactly as they are...and it wasnt an attack at all. Posted by: nook | Apr 15 2022 16:09 utc | 9 Not muck talk of land mines on the Eastern Front and the surety of them slowing any Russian advance. Farmers will have to plow their fields with a paperclip for decades after this event ends. In Donbas, along the line of contact between the Ukrainian army and the separatists, there are hectares of mined territory. Securing it – once the conflict is over – will take more than half a century. A tragedy within a tragedy Posted by: circumspect | Apr 15 2022 16:09 utc | 10 Again, the Escobar/Glazyev interview that's certainly about the SMO and the hybrid war against Russia and increasingly China. Pepe links to several Glazyev essays, all of which demand reading if you want to gain a higher understanding of the entire situation, both Big and Small Picture. And within those essays are links to other sources that influence Glazyev. For example, at the top of one of his most recent, "The Economics of Russian Victory" Glazyev links to "Ideology of Russian Victory" , which is an historical essay providing an important insight into the Russian psyche. Here's Galzyev's most recent essay published April 10th at Stalker Zone, . Glazyev has also written several books, his most recent can be freely downloaded here if you're a member of The Archive, which is also free. Its title, The Last World War: The U.S. to Move and Lose, which he refers to several times in his essays. Now I'll discover if any of these links cause my comment to get blocked.

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